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Quit drinking AND started sema - liver is thanking me — need advice

DanielChem_CHI Mon, Oct 14, 2024 at 5:08 PM 13 replies 1,776 viewsPage 1 of 3
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DanielChem_CHI
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Oct 14, 2024 at 6:33 PM#1

I was diagnosed with MASH (metabolic dysfunction-associated steatohepatitis, formerly NASH) in 2022 via biopsy after persistently elevated liver enzymes. NAS score of 5 (steatosis 2, lobular inflammation 2, ballooning 1) with stage F2 fibrosis. Basically: significant fatty liver disease with active inflammation and early scarring.

Started semaglutide 2.4 mg in early 2024. Here's my liver panel trajectory:

MarkerPre-Sema (2023)6 Months12 Months18 Months (now)Normal Range
ALT (U/L)884226187-56
AST (U/L)6438242010-40
GGT (U/L)1125834289-48
Alk Phos (U/L)9882686244-147
FIB-4 Score2.81.91.41.1<1.3 low risk

My hepatologist ordered a repeat FibroScan at month 12: CAP score dropped from 348 dB/m (severe steatosis) to 218 dB/m (mild steatosis). Liver stiffness went from 9.8 kPa (F2-F3) to 6.4 kPa (F0-F1).

I also lost 62 lbs (SW: 258 → CW: 196, 24% loss). My hepatologist says the imaging and labs are "consistent with MASH resolution" and is considering whether a repeat biopsy is warranted.

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julia.endo
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Oct 14, 2024 at 6:50 PM#2

This is an outstanding response and it aligns with the Phase 2 trial data for semaglutide in MASH. In the semaglutide Phase 2b MASH trial, 59% of patients on semaglutide 0.4 mg daily achieved MASH resolution (defined as NAS ≤2 with no hepatocyte ballooning) vs. 17% on placebo.[1]

Your FibroScan improvements are particularly encouraging:

  • CAP 348 → 218 dB/m: This represents a shift from S3 (severe) to S1 (mild) steatosis. That's a dramatic reduction in hepatic fat content.
  • Stiffness 9.8 → 6.4 kPa: Crossing from F2-F3 to F0-F1 territory suggests fibrosis regression, which is the holy grail of MASH treatment. Fibrosis stage is the strongest predictor of liver-related mortality.

The mechanism involves multiple pathways: reduced de novo lipogenesis (from improved hepatic insulin sensitivity), increased fatty acid oxidation, reduced hepatic inflammation, and potentially direct anti-fibrotic effects through hepatic stellate cell modulation.

[1] Newsome PN, Buchholtz K, Cusi K, et al. A Placebo-Controlled Trial of Subcutaneous Semaglutide in Nonalcoholic Steatohepatitis. N Engl J Med. 2021;384(12):1113-1124.

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Dr.CardioMD
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Oct 14, 2024 at 7:07 PM#3

Regarding the repeat biopsy question: there's growing consensus that non-invasive testing (FibroScan + serum markers like FIB-4 and ELF score) can adequately monitor treatment response without subjecting patients to repeat biopsies. The AASLD is evolving its guidance on this.

Your FIB-4 improvement from 2.8 to 1.1 is very reassuring. A FIB-4 <1.3 has a >90% negative predictive value for advanced fibrosis. Combined with the FibroScan improvement, I think a repeat biopsy is reasonable to confirm resolution but probably not strictly necessary from a management standpoint.

The one scenario where I'd push for biopsy: if there's consideration of stopping semaglutide. Having histological confirmation of resolution would provide confidence that the underlying disease is truly addressed, not just biochemically suppressed.

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PharmacoVig_BOS
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Oct 14, 2024 at 7:24 PM#4

For context, here's the current therapeutic landscape for MASH and where GLP-1 agonists fit:

AgentMechanismMASH Resolution RateFibrosis ImprovementFDA Approved for MASH?
Resmetirom (Rezdiffra)THR-β agonist~30%~26%Yes (2024)
Semaglutide 0.4mg dailyGLP-1 RA~59%~43% (no worsening)No (Phase 3 ongoing)
TirzepatideGIP/GLP-1 RA~74% (Phase 2)~57% (Phase 2)No (Phase 3 ongoing)
PioglitazonePPAR-γ agonist~47%LimitedNo (off-label use)
Lifestyle alone≥10% weight loss~40-50%~20-30%N/A

Tirzepatide's Phase 2 MASH data (SYNERGY-NASH) showed the highest resolution rates of any agent studied, likely due to the dual GIP/GLP-1 mechanism and greater weight loss. Phase 3 trials are ongoing and highly anticipated.

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FranDenver
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Oct 14, 2024 at 7:41 PM#5

The tirzepatide MASH numbers are incredible. 74% resolution rate? I wonder if patients with more advanced fibrosis (F3-F4) would see similar benefit, or if there's a point of no return where the fibrosis is too established to reverse.

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