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Peptide degradation pathways — my results so far

MeganSA_TX Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 6:48 AM 15 replies 1,663 viewsPage 1 of 3
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MeganSA_TX
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Feb 8, 2025 at 8:13 AM#1
I want to map out the CNS GLP-1R expression landscape and discuss how it relates to the remarkable appetite suppression and weight loss seen with GLP-1RAs. This is probably the most active area of incretin neuroscience right now. Known GLP-1R expression sites in the brain (validated by ISH, IHC, and reporter mice): 1. Nucleus tractus solitarius (NTS) — primary site of vagal afferent integration 2. Area postrema (AP) — chemosensory circumventricular organ (nausea center) 3. Arcuate nucleus (ARC) — POMC and AgRP neurons 4. Paraventricular nucleus (PVN) — CRH and oxytocin neurons 5. Lateral hypothalamus (LH) — orexin/MCH neurons 6. Ventral tegmental area (VTA) — dopaminergic reward neurons 7. Nucleus accumbens (NAc) — medium spiny neurons (direct expression debated) 8. Lateral parabrachial nucleus (lPBN) — palatability processing 9. Central amygdala (CeA) — hedonic and emotional feeding 10. Lateral septum — recently identified, function unclear > "Comprehensive mapping of Glp1r expression using Glp1r-Cre;Rosa26-tdTomato reporter mice revealed GLP-1R expression in 14 discrete brain regions, with highest density in the area postrema, NTS, ARC, and PVN, and moderate expression in the VTA, lateral septum, and hippocampus." > — Cork et al., *Molecular Metabolism*, 2020; 42:101121 The key question: which of these populations mediate the anorexigenic effects, and which mediate the nausea/aversive effects? Can we dissociate them?
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carlos_SATX
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Feb 8, 2025 at 8:30 AM#2
This is where optogenetics and chemogenetics are giving us incredible resolution. Let me walk through the circuit dissection data: NTS GLP-1R neurons: These are arguably the most important population. They receive direct vagal afferent input AND can be activated by circulating GLP-1RAs that access the AP/NTS via fenestrated capillaries. NTS GLP-1R neurons project to: - PVN (satiety signaling) - lPBN (meal termination) - VTA (reward modulation) > "Chemogenetic activation of Glp1r-expressing NTS neurons reduced food intake by 65% over 4 hours and produced conditioned taste aversion, whereas activation of Glp1r-expressing ARC neurons reduced food intake by 42% without conditioned taste aversion, suggesting anatomical dissociation of anorexia and malaise." > — Fortin et al., *Neuron*, 2020; 107(2):330–342 ARC GLP-1R neurons: These co-express POMC (anorexigenic) rather than AgRP (orexigenic). GLP-1R activation on POMC neurons stimulates α-MSH release, engaging the melanocortin satiety pathway. VTA GLP-1R neurons: Direct GLP-1R agonism on VTA dopamine neurons REDUCES their firing rate and dampens dopamine release in the NAc. This is the proposed mechanism for reduced hedonic eating and food reward.
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CanadaChris
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Feb 8, 2025 at 8:47 AM#3
I want to expand on the VTA/reward pathway data because this is where GLP-1RAs are showing effects beyond simple appetite suppression — they're reducing reward-seeking behavior for palatable food AND potentially for other substances. > "Semaglutide administration reduced operant responding for high-fat, high-sugar food pellets by 55% in rats, an effect that was abolished by bilateral VTA Glp1r knockdown using AAV-shRNA, confirming a VTA-dependent mechanism for hedonic appetite suppression." > — Holt et al., *Neuropsychopharmacology*, 2023; 48:1212–1220 The circuit: GLP-1R activation on VTA-DA neurons → reduced DA neuron excitability → decreased mesolimbic dopamine release → reduced motivated feeding behavior. But here's what's clinically provocative: the SAME circuit is involved in alcohol and substance use. There are now multiple case reports and cohort studies suggesting GLP-1RAs reduce alcohol consumption: > "In a retrospective cohort study of 83,825 patients with obesity and alcohol use disorder, GLP-1RA use was associated with a 50% reduction in alcohol-related clinical events (HR 0.50, 95% CI 0.36–0.69) over 12 months of follow-up." > — Wang et al., *Addiction*, 2024; 119:600–611 The RCT data (semaglutide for AUD) is currently in Phase 2 (NCT05525936). If positive, it would confirm the mesolimbic mechanism and open a completely new therapeutic area for GLP-1RAs.
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Feb 8, 2025 at 9:04 AM#4
The substance use data is fascinating. But let me push back on the oversimplified VTA-DA narrative. The reward circuit effects are likely more complex than "GLP-1R → ↓DA release → ↓reward." Several complicating observations: 1. Presynaptic vs. postsynaptic GLP-1R in VTA: Not all VTA GLP-1R is on DA neurons. Some is on glutamatergic presynaptic terminals that EXCITE DA neurons. So the net effect of GLP-1R agonism in VTA depends on which population dominates — and this may differ between individuals. 2. Indirect pathways: GLP-1R agonism in NTS/PBN activates projections to the VTA, so some of the reward effects may be indirect (NTS → VTA circuit) rather than direct VTA GLP-1R activation. 3. NAc direct effects: There IS evidence for GLP-1R expression on NAc neurons (though sparse), and intra-NAc GLP-1R agonism directly reduces palatable food intake. > "Microinjection of exendin-4 into the nucleus accumbens core reduced sucrose self-administration by 38% without affecting locomotor activity, suggesting direct NAc GLP-1R-mediated suppression of reward independent of motor effects." > — Alhadeff et al., *Neuropsychopharmacology*, 2012; 37:1455–1464 4. Nausea confound: The area postrema activation that causes nausea also produces conditioned taste aversion, which could be misinterpreted as "reduced reward" in behavioral assays. Separating genuine reward suppression from learned aversion is methodologically challenging.
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Feb 8, 2025 at 9:21 AM#5
From the clinical neuroscience perspective, I want to highlight the neuroimaging data. fMRI studies in humans on GLP-1RAs are starting to paint a consistent picture: 1. Reduced food-cue reactivity: Semaglutide reduces BOLD signal in response to high-calorie food images in the insula, amygdala, and orbitofrontal cortex. 2. Altered connectivity: Increased resting-state functional connectivity between hypothalamus and prefrontal cortex (suggesting enhanced cognitive control over eating). 3. Reduced reward anticipation: Diminished ventral striatal activation during anticipation of food reward. > "In a randomized, placebo-controlled fMRI study, semaglutide 1.0 mg reduced food-cue-induced activation in the insula (−23%, P=0.008), putamen (−19%, P=0.02), and orbitofrontal cortex (−31%, P=0.003) compared to placebo, effects that correlated with reported reductions in food craving." > — van Bloemendaal et al., *Diabetes Care*, 2014; 37(6):1482–1490 The clinical relevance: these CNS effects explain WHY patients describe the GLP-1RA experience as "food noise disappearing" rather than "feeling full." It's not just a peripheral satiety signal — it's a fundamental shift in the motivational and attentional processing of food cues. This also has implications for who responds best. Patients with higher baseline food-cue reactivity (presumably those with stronger hedonic drive) might be the best CNS responders.
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